Allie Nimmons:
Welcome to the Underrepresented in Tech podcast hosted by Michelle Freschette and Allie Nimmons. Underrepresented in Tech is a free database built with the goal of helping people find new opportunities in WordPress and tech overall.

Michelle Freschette:
Hi, Allie.

Allie Nimmons:
Hi, Michelle, how are you?

Michelle Freschette:
I’m good, how are you?

Allie Nimmons:
Not too bad.

Michelle Freschette:
Well, probably not for you so much, it is starting to get colder up here.

Allie Nimmons:
It is starting to get colder in that it is not over 100 degrees every single day. We’re down steady in the nineties so I count that as a win.

Michelle Freschette:
And I turned my furnace on so there you go.

Allie Nimmons:
Fall is different in different places.

Michelle Freschette:
It certainly is. Pumpkin spice latte hits a little different when it’s sweater weather.

Allie Nimmons:
Absolutely. Although, Starbucks has a apple crisp shake and espresso that is, I think, better than the pumpkin spice latte. And I was an avid pumpkin spice orderer for a very long time but I think the apple crisp thing is better. Fight me.

Michelle Freschette:
I love it. I actually had their apple whatever it was last year. I don’t know if it was the same one as it is this year but it was pretty good. I still prefer the pumpkin spice latte but it was a nice little-

Allie Nimmons:
Nice change.

Michelle Freschette:
Change for me.

Allie Nimmons:
Nice option. Well, today I’m very excited to chat about our upcoming webinars. We’ve been posting about them now that we have them all recorded, which is very exciting, that was a huge undertaking and I’m very … Not to say glad we’re done but it’s a milestone we’ve gotten past in the project of having them all recorded and it’s a relief. We each recorded two, and then Niasha Green, who’s working on this with us, has also recorded two so we have six in total. Because I don’t know about you but I walked out of each of those meetings my brain just buzzing with all of these different ideas and things that I’d never particularly thought about before. We each had a set of questions that we all asked everyone, but I know you and I definitely thought up new questions on the spot. The conversations were so interesting. Because we know all of our listeners are also going to watch and listen to the webinars as well. But we thought for a little teaser we could talk about some of our takeaways, I guess from the webinars that we’ve recorded already.

Michelle Freschette:
Well, I didn’t learn anything. No, I’m kidding.

Allie Nimmons:
No. You knew all of that stuff already.

Michelle Freschette:
I knew it all, I knew it all. It’s interesting because people often will turn to me … And I don’t know if they do this to you as well, they’ll say to me that I’m an expert in DEIB. I just made air quotes by the way around expert. An expert in DEIB. I am by no means an expert in DEIB. I haven’t gone to school for it, I don’t have a degree for it, I don’t … I haven’t written and been published. None of those things make me technically an expert. What I am as passionate about it. And I think that that is probably the same for you. I see you nodding yes. Which is probably the same for you, and I’m sure for Ni as well, although I’m not going to try and speak for other people.
I’m not an expert. It’s just that this is something that has worked its way into my consciousness in a way that is like … I think you get to a point where you are not happy to sit by and just be complacent about watching other people not have the same rights and opportunities that you do in your life. And although I certainly do fit into some of these other underrepresented groups, right, I’m not a white cishet male, I also … As we’ve talked about before, I also sit in a place of privilege. To have been involved in these conversations and facilitated some of these conversations, two of them, as part of our webinar series was so educational for me.
It’s so funny when you say left it, right, left the conversation because we’ve literally just shut down Zoom it’s not who walked out of the room. Finished each conversation feeling just so … I hate using religious terminology for things but blessed, right? And blessed isn’t necessarily a religious term. But so blessed with having had people who were willing to take this hour out of their lives to share their experiences and share what they wish that other people knew about what it’s like to be in their shoes.
And even so, the six people that I talked to, three for each of the webinars, said even there that they don’t speak for everybody in their situation. The three black men that said, “I don’t speak for every black man but this is my experience.” We can never know what it’s like to be in any one particular person’s shoes, but as each underrepresented group, there are consensus. I felt consensus amongst the people that I was talking to that there are shared experiences that they wish other people knew about. It really was one of those experiences that just makes me so happy to do the work that we do in this community, in the tech community, and in WordPress specifically, in my case. Can I point to one specific example off the top of my head right this very minute? No, because I recorded mine back in July. It was amazing, and they were amazing, and the people we talked to were phenomenal.

Allie Nimmons:
So I’ve been editing them so they’re … Most of them are very fresh in my memory. So I got to talk to three people who are not software engineers, not software developers who work in tech. Then I got to talk to three people who are all 25 or younger who work in tech. So those two conversations were really interesting. Because even though we decided, when we started designing the webinar, that we wanted the moderators to not necessarily be in the group. So for example, you talk to three black men, you are not a black man. We messed up because I ended up talking to two groups that I am in. Halfway through I was like well, I am a non-developer. I mean, I’m a little older now but when I started in WordPress I was much younger than the average person that I was working with. I felt really lucky that I got to definitely understand a lot of where these people were coming from. But like you said before, we all have such different and unique experiences.
One of the people I talked to, Tico [inaudible 00:07:48], he’s in high school and he just started an agency. My experience was nothing like that. I was already out of college, and in the workforce, and had plenty of other jobs before I started working in tech. That to me was super fascinating that he has this jumpstart into the career that he wants, he’s getting in early. He started working at Yoast when he was 14 because his parents run the company so we don’t really have a-

Michelle Freschette:
Or did.

Allie Nimmons:
Or did. It’s not like he secretly got hired against … I was thinking in my head, what are the child labor laws in his country? He had this super unique experience that even though he and I are both on the younger side of things, super different from what my experience has been. I felt like that conversation was very interesting because they are all … All three of the people I spoke to I want to say are … I’m a millennial, and I think all of them were Gen Z which is then its own rift to where … I remember a time before the internet it was … I was very young but I remember that. They came into the world cell phones and iPads in hand, let’s go, we’re ready to go which we talked about.
That gives a lot of people on the younger side of things a unique perspective in terms of working in tech. Because to them, so much of this stuff is so intuitive. Whereas if the tech boom started for you when you were in your 20s or something, that’s a shift in mindset that you … That is also a unique perspective, right? So we talked about that which was really fascinating.
And when I spoke to the non-software developers we spent a really long time … Because the episode is called, What It’s Like Being a Non-Developer. And we spoke a lot about the word developer and how it’s almost … It’s the worst word to use to describe those sorts of people because you can develop a website with WordPress without having to write any code, right? I used to work and call myself a web developer because I could build you a website from not having a website. And to me, that meant I was building something. And if you are a developer in the … In terms of creating buildings like building infrastructures and stuff, you are developing something, you’re creating something, you’re planning its development literally.
So we talked a lot about just the use of language and how things like that can box people in and limit people’s ability to really see themselves as what they can do rather than well, I have to call myself this one thing because X, Y, Z. Nobody’s ever said this to my face but I’ve heard people in WordPress say, “If you don’t write code and you use page builders or themes you are not a web developer.” And that made me feel really bad because I was like I know all the rules, and tenants, and best practices of what it takes to develop a site. I know about domains, I know about DNS, I know about hosting. I know about all of these things. I know how to launch a website safely, I know how to maintain a website safely. Why am I not a developer? Just because I’m not an engineer, right?
So we talked a lot about language which was not a path I expected us to go down in that conversation but they were all so intelligent about how they felt about that word in particular. That was probably my favorite part of that conversation was … We got hard into semantics, and putting ourselves in boxes, and labeling ourselves, and stuff. It was really fun.

Michelle Freschette:
You’re reminding me of some of my conversations now too as it’s coming up. One of the groups that I talked to was the people for whom English is not their first language. Non-native English speakers or something like that we’re calling that episode. So people for who they speak English but English is not their primary language. What that means to be part of technology and have that be your situation? What kind of an impediment might that be, for example? The things that people wished they knew out of that wasn’t those kinds of terminologies like you’re talking about but things like when somebody’s not a native English speaker, and we speak 50 miles an hour or 100 miles an hour, it’s so much more difficult for somebody to process the words that we’re saying.
Also, we use idioms and we use these terms of phrase that don’t have a direct translation. So even if they’re using a Google translator or they’re using some kind of a audio translator or something, it’s not necessarily picking up some of the things that we’re saying. Terminologies and language tends to be something that permeates across, I think, all of our groups in some ways. One of Niasha’s groups was people with disabilities. We use different terms for disabilities as well. What does that mean? What does accessibility mean in a web sense, and in a community sense, and in a physical access sense? We need to add a sticker to our store that says, “Language matters” because we talk about words matter all the time around here. And it really does in how we do that.
And I was at the Community Summit prior to WordCamp US, and there were people in the room from all over the world, some of which … Some of whom had very little English and needed to really have a slow-down and speak clearly so that they could have a better understanding. I’m very conscious of that now when I’m in a group of people that may not have English as their primary language to slow down my speech, to use few idioms to be very direct in the way that I talk. And what I mean, so that I could be more easily understood by people for whom English isn’t their primary language. It was very interesting and it was a great conversation.
With the group of black men in tech, gosh, they were awesome and they were so forthcoming. I just felt like I could just sit back and watch them talk. It was really awesome to hear the rapport and things with these people that didn’t necessarily even know each other prior to this. Some of the things that I noticed in that group, and then some of the things that I noticed in other groups that … Not necessarily what we … People that we talk to is, the feeling of needing to be the mentor because there aren’t already mentors in the field that look like us, right? Are there a lot of people speaking about physical disability as it comes to community and technology? There haven’t been in the past. I was somebody that started really talking about that, but I didn’t have a mentor I could look up to learn those things from.
These black men have … Feel that onus, that responsibility to live up to that because there haven’t been a lot of black men in WordPress that they could look up to. And yes, there are some I’m not saying there are none, but it’s not as prevalent as other groups. So I think that that’s something that I discovered from this group too, from these different groups, is that there’s a feeling of responsibility to represent when you’re in these groups because you are different, because you were in that underrepresented subgroup. So you’re not even just this giant group you’re this underrepresented subgroup that you are representing for more people than just yourself. And there is some weight and some gravity that comes with that.

Allie Nimmons:
I love the idea of being the person that you wish you had. As I was editing that episode with the black guys I do remember one of them saying that “I remember what it was like to be 18 and know what I wanted but there wasn’t really anybody to help me or tell me what to do, and I would’ve loved that. Why can’t I be that for that 18-year-old kid who’s in the same position as me,” right? We talk about these really specific things and we talk about specific subgroups, but so much of this is universal as well. I can’t think of anybody who would say, “No, I don’t wish that I could be the person that I needed when I was younger and I needed it.” I’ve heard people say that all the time about lots of different things.
While it is within the context of who they are in this community, that is a very universal feeling to me of I would like to be the person that I needed. I think the people who they help are going to be very lucky. People become accidental mentors sometimes, but when you have people out there who say, “I am going to go out of my way to help other people succeed,” those are really, really special people. And it’s really exciting. Really exciting to see. And I’m seeing that particularly in Black press right now which is really, really, really exciting.

Michelle Freschette:
I agree 100%. It’s exciting to be an ally in that community and just watch people flourish. And feel so happy just to see the success and the involvement that the people in Black press … And the impact that the Black press community is having is very exciting.

Allie Nimmons:
It’s pretty special. I’m really excited for these webinars. I was building out the landing page on the site, and putting everyone’s pictures up, and I’m like man, this is such a great group of people, and I’m so excited for people to get this content. A lot of these people are people that I have not seen stand up and say, “I’m going to tell my story.” These are some people who’ve flown under the radar. And I’m really excited to shine a spotlight on them and be like “No, your story is unique, and special, and important, and it’s going to help people.” That’s what we’ve been trying to do these past two years.

Michelle Freschette:
Yes. I will say too, the behind-the-scenes of building this was an interesting exercise in setting goals, adjusting those goals, changing strategy. We did everything from theorize, to strategize, to start to plan, to pull a third person into help because it was a big project. To fundraising. Realizing we didn’t hit the market where we wanted to fundraise. How we could adjust that to use the money that we had to still accomplish the same goal? And how we did all that.
And I know there’d be people who would be like “Well, what would even cost you any money?” Well, time is not free, folks, time is not free. It was important, especially to those people that we’re asking who are also … Like you said, they’re starting to serve as mentors or they’ve been serving as mentors. They have full-time jobs, they do things on the side, they contribute to the community. And we said, “Hey, can we have another hour of your time and you’re emotional time? One hour of your physical time, your chronology time, or whatever … However we categorize time, it’s not the same as an emotional hour of your time when you’re asking people to really speak from their hearts and talk about things that are not necessarily easy conversations to have.
It was important to us that we honor those people with an honorarium for that hour. And to thank them with more than just words, but also to follow up and do the things that we are constantly suggesting that other people do which is to value people’s time and pay them for their time. And I know we’re going to do it publicly, it’ll be all over social, et cetera, but I want to thank our sponsors who decided that it was also important that we put the money where the mouths are and thank those people. And I don’t have them in front of me but I know that you’ve got them. Can you thank our sponsors for us?

Allie Nimmons:
Absolutely. The companies that sponsored us are Crowd Favorite, GoDaddy Pro, Howard Development & Consulting, Paid Memberships Pro, WP Speakers, and Yoast SEO which that one’s not … The last one’s not a surprise.

Michelle Freschette:
Not a surprise at all.

Allie Nimmons:
We were aiming for eight and we got the six. We had to make a couple of little adjustments, but like you said, we prioritized the speakers. We’re paying the speakers the same as we were always going to pay them, and we found other ways to make up the difference and stuff like that which is pretty exciting. I had budgeted for the captions and the transcripts. I was like okay, each one of these is going to be about an hour. Which after editing, and trimming, and stuff like that, each one is actually closer to 45 minutes. And I was like yes, we’re going to save so much money on captions and transcripts by saving 15 minutes per episode, this is great. I’ve never had to do that. I mean, I’ve participated in organizing a couple of events here and there but I’ve never been on the side of things of all right, we got to make these two pieces fit and get everything together so that everything works out. It’s been a really great experience so far. Again, 19 days until the first episode comes out. They’ll be on YouTube-

Michelle Freschette:
It’s exciting.

Allie Nimmons:
But, of course, we’ll be sharing them everywhere else. I mean, our long-term goal, which we may or may not do, is to do multiple seasons of this basically as we did these six episodes. I would love it if these got a lot of support, and did really well, and people really enjoyed them. We have a whole list of subgroups of people we wanted to speak to and we picked these six. I don’t know if this has happened to you. I want to say I posted on Mastodon when I was looking for people to join the 25 and under group, and I gave a little blurb about what it was, and we’re looking … We’re speaking to many subgroups, this is one of the groups we’re speaking to.
And I got a reply that was like “Well, you should be speaking to people who are older than the average because those people are never heard from.” And I got this whole spiel about why am I speaking to young people when I should be speaking to older people. And I’m like dude, I can’t do everything, I’m really sorry. I’m sorry you feel left out. I mean, I never replied to it because it was just … It was really a lot. People have already like “Well, you should be speaking to this group.” Ideally, we’d speak to everyone. And we would shine a light on every single subgroup of people that we can find. We only had the money for six this time so we’re really sorry if you don’t feel-

Michelle Freschette:
And the time and the energy. It’s a big project. This isn’t a full-time job. But also, a lot of those groups that people are like “Oh, have you thought of this?” “Yes, they’re on the list, but we picked six and those are the six that we started with.” Traditionally, people who are older in tech were part of the foundation of what happened with tech, right? I got my first computer in 1987. There was no internet yet, at least not public, right? Certainly, there was no Wi-Fi, everything was dial-up when I finally did get into internet and things like that. I was part of that. And while being older in tech today does absolutely mean something incredibly different than it did, to be part of discovering and being early adopters and things like that.
And it is an underrepresented group. It didn’t need to be prioritized in the first year of doing this as much as young people who are not necessarily being listened to in the same way. Those of us who have been here longer are like “Oh, that’s not going to work, or that’s not the way it’s done,” and things like that. So yes, absolutely a different set of question … Or, answers and experiences. And we will get to those groups probably-

Allie Nimmons:
Probably, hopefully.

Michelle Freschette:
If we do this again next year. I think so. I mean, I think that’s our goal at this point anyway. Who knows what the next year will bring but that is our goal. We could only start with six and so we prioritize the six that we thought would have the biggest impact to start off with.

Allie Nimmons:
Absolutely. I forgot what I was going to say. Oh. Everything we do with Underrepresented in Tech we try to make very tech agnostic, right? So it’s not specifically just about one community or one software or one country, but we have a bias, the both of us, of coming through from the WordPress community. We see a lot of these problems through the lens of WordPress. We can try to put that aside but it’s going to just happen. And so I also think that a little bit of our choices for … I’ll speak for myself. The choices for this group, for me a little bit, were colored by my experience with WordPress.

Michelle Freschette:
Absolutely.

Allie Nimmons:
There are so many groups, and there’s so many boot camps, there’s so many things out there for young people in tech. It is a booming job space. WordPress though, we don’t have that and that was really important to me to discuss. In that episode, we talk about WordCamps and how there are kid camps for babies, but we don’t have any on-ramp onboarding thing for late teens, early 20s, people who are figuring out what they want to do, and WordPress could be an option. That is a problem I think that is particular to WordPress. Same with the Black men thing. I’ve said many times, it took me, I don’t know, six or seven WordCamps before I ever saw a Black male speak, and that always, always stuck with me, it made me feel really weird and bad. And now that’s changing and it’s really interesting to see that landscape change. We have that little bit of an implicit bias of seeing things through WordPress because you and I have not really worked in the tech space outside of WordPress very much.

Michelle Freschette:
Correct.

Allie Nimmons:
Our goal is to always keep things as global and universal as possible, but we are also human beings and we can’t be entirely objective all of the time. We’re sorry.

Michelle Freschette:
We acknowledge the fact that we have to draw from the community we know more-

Allie Nimmons:
Yes, that’s true too.

Michelle Freschette:
And that we have access to.

Allie Nimmons:
So far everything’s been going fantastic. If I could wave a magic wand and have made one thing different … While I love the people that we have as panelists, I wish that we … Okay. What I’ll say then is, if we do this again, one of my goals will be to try to find people from outside, more people from outside of WordPress. Because I want to say, all of these people, I don’t think that there’s an exception unless I’m forgetting someone. I’m looking at the list of people right now. All of these people are in some way, shape, or form involved with WordPress, either with the community or with the software or have a WordPress agency or something like that which is great. That’s fine, that’s fantastic. What they’re saying is still very valuable. I would be really want to try next time to try to find some non-WordPress people and just see what the differences are, see what the different attitudes, and thoughts, and experiences are because WordPress is so unique and so insular in so many ways. I would say that would be a goal for next time.

Michelle Freschette:
I agree. I think we can acknowledge to that probably most of our listenership is also within WordPress because that’s how they know us. The idea is to not pigeonhole this into WordPress alone because the things that we talk about are universal within technology. And actually, a lot of that is universal outside of technology as well, that’s just our niche. We didn’t call it underrepresented in WP we called it Underrepresented in Tech. And that’s [inaudible 00:29:03-

Allie Nimmons:
Can you imagine if we were underrepresented in WordPress? Like gosh, it’s already a mouthful of a name.

Michelle Freschette:
Every time I type it out I’m like why? Why did we make it so long? But I’m still happy with it so it’s all good.

Allie Nimmons:
Same.

Michelle Freschette:
Yes. But we definitely acknowledge that the majority of what we do is working with WordPress. We hope that our reach develops outside of WordPress as well. The things that we share and the people that we bring into our podcast, and our database, and all of that definitely have voices that would resonate outside of WordPress as well and so I think that it’s important that we acknowledge that for sure. I’m glad that you brought that up.

Allie Nimmons:
Totally. I recently redid the numbers. I’d say once a quarter I’ll go through the Underrepresented in Tech database and update all of our percentages on the site to show who is actually realistically in the database. And out of almost 140 people, only 90 have indicated on their profiles that they … WordPress is something that they do or work with. So that difference, what 50 people, are not WordPress people which I find amazing, and fantastic, and really interesting of where the heck did those people come from? How did you all find us? We need to start putting a thing on that form of how they found out about us because that’s been something I’ve been really curious about are where are people coming from that find our database?

Michelle Freschette:
Great idea.

Allie Nimmons:
I think we think we should do that. If you’re interested go to Underrepresentedintech.com. On the homepage we have a whole expanded section that I worked on recently that has percentages and numbers about all the different types of people who are currently in the database, what … Who they are, what they’re looking for, what they want to do. Because I just think those numbers are fascinating and interesting, and, honestly, a little bit of a bragging thing for us of look at the scope of people that we have for you in the database. So that’s off topic but I wanted to brag about that.

Michelle Freschette:
Every time we get an email that says somebody has filled out the form to join the database I’m always like … It’s like I want to ring the bell or jump for joy. I do, I get excited about it. And recently somebody, I can’t remember if they quote tweeted me or posted … I guess it’s not Twitter anymore but whatever. About the fact that they found … I can’t remember if they said a job or a gig or something because they were in the Underrepresented in Tech database. And we don’t always hear about those things but it was very exciting. I was just like actually, I am a sappy person, I do cry easily, but it did bring tears to my eyes, and I acknowledged that it was pretty exciting to see. I love that kind of thing for sure.

Allie Nimmons:
That is so great to see. I saw that tweet as well and it made me really, really happy. Their name is Manuel. “I’m happy to have started a project with a client I found on Underrepresented in Tech.” That’s so exciting.

Michelle Freschette:
That’s so cool.

Allie Nimmons:
I get really excited. I don’t know if there was an event somewhere on the continent of Africa, or a virtual event that was aimed at an African audience, but we had, last weekend, what was it 12 different people from Africa who added themselves to-

Michelle Freschette:
A lovely influx.

Allie Nimmons:
That was a historical record. We’ve never had that many people all at one time. I opened the email and I was like … I went through each one to make sure they weren’t spam because I was like … We get maybe one or two. Well, let’s see. We get three or four a week on average, I want to say, new people. So to get 12 in a weekend was really something special. So whoever shouted us out to an … I have to assume it was an African-targeted event or meetup or something. Whoever shouted us out thank you so much.

Michelle Freschette:
For sure. I love that, I think that’s great. It’s a good time to say too, if you’re listening to the podcast, you are an underrepresented person, and you’re not in the database yet, this is your opportunity. It doesn’t cost anything.

Allie Nimmons:
Opportunity. Does not cost anything.

Michelle Freschette:
And over the years that we’ve been around, people suggest to us all the time that we should be charging at least to search the database but we consistently say, “That’s not our goal. Our goal is not to make money off of our database.” We want it to be free to search because otherwise, it’s still gatekeeping. People aren’t going to pay for the service of finding you all there, finding us all there. We just want it to be a tool that people can use, whether they are in the database or searching the database because we want it to be easy to find underrepresented people to do things whether it’s jobs, or gigs, or speaking engagements, or podcasting, et cetera, et cetera.

Allie Nimmons:
And if you really want us to make money you can … We take general donations as tips, we have services that you could pay for. If your jam is-

Michelle Freschette:
It’s sponsorship, you can sponsor these.

Allie Nimmons:
You can sponsor. We are currently looking for sponsors for the podcast. If your argument is that you want to give us money, for some reason, then there are ways you can do that but we don’t do that through the database. That is our flagship service and that’s not what we charge for. But if you are female, non-binary, black, African-American, Asian, Latin, Hispanic, BIPOC, LGBTQ+, disabled in any way, neurodivergent, or older than most people expect in the tech industry, we … Those all count. I think some people think oh, well, I’m not black, I’m not a woman so I’m not underrepresented, but there’s lots and lots and lots of ways to not be a straight white neurotypical man in tech.

Michelle Freschette:
Exactly, exactly. No, I think it’s great, I love it. It’s just such a great opportunity for people to be found for sure.

Allie Nimmons:
And we’re starting to see that it’s working which is exciting. And if you have found someone or if you have been found please let us know because it feels a lot like shouting into the ether.

Michelle Freschette:
It makes us happy.

Allie Nimmons:
Because it is not like a forum or it’s not a messaging service, we have no way of knowing when people connect with each other. We’ve talked for years about trying to build some other sort of functionality into it that makes it easier for people to connect but we’ve not been able to do that yet.

Michelle Freschette:
Not yet.

Allie Nimmons:
Cool.

Michelle Freschette:
Oh, the other thing is, if you don’t have money to contribute, you don’t have an opportunity for somebody, and you yourself are not an underrepresented person, and you’re trying to figure out how you can still help, share. Share the podcast. Share the everything. Share the opportunities that we have. Retweet us, post us on LinkedIn, post us on Facebook or Mastodon or Threads. I don’t know. Any of the other millions of places that you could share because we would love for you to help other people find what we do too.

Allie Nimmons:
Correctamundo. We appreciate it.

Michelle Freschette:
For sure.

Allie Nimmons:
Cool. All right. We covered a lot of ground in that episode.

Michelle Freschette:
We did. And if you’re still listening, thank you.

Allie Nimmons:
Thanks, seriously. Next week I will not be here I will be off doing stuff for LinkedIn. We don’t have to say who the guests are if you don’t want to. For once we know what next week’s episode is going to be-

Michelle Freschette:
That’s right.

Allie Nimmons:
And there’s going to be special guests. And I’m so jealous that I won’t be able to hang out with the special guests with you but it’s going to be a really great episode.

Michelle Freschette:
I expect so too. So people just have to wait and see what that’s all about.

Allie Nimmons:
Tease, cool. Alrighty. Well, thank you so much for listening and we will see you all next week.

Michelle Freschette:
Bye.

Allie Nimmons:
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