Professional mentorship is so valuable, but it can often be difficult to find a mentor, or conduct that relationship in a lasting way. In this episode Allie and Michelle discuss how to get a mentor, do’s and don’ts for mentorship relationships, the differences between mentoring and coaching, and more.
Episode Transcript
Allie Nimmons:
Welcome to the Underrepresented in Tech Podcast, hosted by Michelle Frechette and Allie Nimmons. Underrepresented in Tech is a free database, but with the goal of helping people find new opportunities in WordPress and tech overall.
Michelle Frechette:
Hi, Allie.
Allie Nimmons:
Hi, Michelle. How are you?
Michelle Frechette:
I’m good. How are you?
Allie Nimmons:
I’m okay. Feeling a teeny bit under the weather today, but always makes me feel better to be able to chat with you.
Michelle Frechette:
Likewise. Can I tell you my exciting news?
Allie Nimmons:
Yeah.
Michelle Frechette:
It might not be totally exciting to everybody. It’s super exciting to me. I bought a very expensive present for myself this week and it arrived today: a new telephoto lens for my camera.
Allie Nimmons:
Wow!
Michelle Frechette:
It has greater capabilities to shoot further than my other lenses have. I’m excited to go out this weekend and see how many birds I can photographically shoot. I don’t actually shoot birds, I just photograph them. But yes, I’m very excited. I’m going to go on a photo day out in my car and see what I can get. Hopefully I’ll master the new lens quickly and get some great shots. Otherwise, it will just be a learning experience.
Allie Nimmons:
That is so cool. Camera lenses, especially good ones, are very expensive.
Michelle Frechette:
Yes.
Allie Nimmons:
Yeah, that is really cool. I can’t wait to see the pictures.
Michelle Frechette:
I’m not talking thousands of dollars, but to me this is expensive and it’s working up towards spending thousands of dollars eventually. But yes, I will definitely share pictures with you, for sure.
Allie Nimmons:
I mean, it’s expensive for… You don’t take pict… Well, you do take pictures professionally, but it’s not your main source of income.
Michelle Frechette:
Right.
Allie Nimmons:
For it being a kind of side gig sort of a thing, it’s a lot to invest money into a gig like that. I’m super happy for you. That’s really exciting.
Michelle Frechette:
Thank you. Thank you. It is exciting.
Allie Nimmons:
Hopefully you can take pictures at WordCamp US, which is going to be the next time we see each other.
Michelle Frechette:
I am actually on the photography squad for WordCamp US, although this lens will not be coming with me. It’s too big. It shoots too far away, so it won’t be appropriate for this kind of venue. But I will be taking pictures there with my other cameras, my other lenses. I’m very excited about that.
Allie Nimmons:
Very cool.
Michelle Frechette:
What’s our topic today? I know that you had suggested a topic I’m excited about.
Allie Nimmons:
Yeah. I’ve been talking to a lot of people recently about mentorship, like being a mentor or having a mentor. I think it’s something that’s really important for underrepresented people to have a mentor when you’re first starting or even just as you’re learning, right? You can be experienced and always be learning and having a mentor is really great for that. It’s so valuable to have a mentor in a formalized way where that relationship… You are one of my mentors, but there are lots of people in the community that I think of as this person is older than me and/or more experienced than I am and they have a lot of wisdom to share with me. They can give me advice, and they can be there for me.
Allie Nimmons:
And that in itself is mentorship, right? Like having a friend that you can really lean on for those things, but also having a mentor that is a formalized relationship where it’s like, you are my mentor. We meet every X interval of time. We have goals that we work on together, and things like that. I think a lot of people kind of take those relationships for granted. Even the more casual mentorship relationships, we tend to take those relationships for granted. I think that when you are in one of those underrepresented groups, there are so many other things you struggle with in terms of the imposter syndrome and not knowing what you don’t know and not always feeling like you’re doing things the right way or when you should or how you should.
Allie Nimmons:
Having a formal mentor, even an informal mentor, can assuage so many of those uncertainties and fears and really propel you forward, especially if that mentor is also an underrepresented person, whether in the way that you’re underrepresented or not, right? You, as one of my mentors, we’re both women, but as far as lots of the other underrepresented things, we don’t share a lot of those experiences and that I think makes our mentor-mentee relationship really valuable because there are things that I learn from you all the time, which makes me better at being an ally and being an advocate for underrepresented people.
Allie Nimmons:
But there’s enough that we share that we can commiserate on certain experiences, right? Whenever I get a cringey DM from a strange guy who’s like, “Hi, pretty. How are you,” I always think of you because I’m likes, “Michelle knows what it’s like to get these emails. They’re awful.” Right?
Michelle Frechette:
Yeah.
Allie Nimmons:
That relationship is super important to me. I’ve also had straight white male mentors who don’t know what a lot of those things are like, but have been super willing to open doors for me and make places for me at the table with the intention of like mentoring me and making sure that I have what I need and all that kind of stuff. It’s just really, really important I think to have those relationships, but it can be hard for people to know how to form those relationships or where to go or who to ask and things like that, because it feels awkward to like approach someone and be like, “Will you be my mentor,” right? That’s kind of-
Michelle Frechette:
Could you mentor me?
Allie Nimmons:
Yeah. That’s kind of an uncomfortable thing, I think.
Michelle Frechette:
I kind of want to just say a few things here before we kind of jump into the how to make those relationships. There’s a difference between mentoring and coaching. There’s a lot of similarities between them, right? But a coaching situation is usually a paid situation, mentorship usually is not, and a coaching situation is usually specific to one area. Like you have a blog coach, or you have a speech writing coach, or you have a business coach that helps you build your business. Whereas mentorship can actually cross a lot of those different areas and kind of look at what your areas of need are on a week to week or, like you say, time interval situation. Mentorship is more of a relationship.
Michelle Frechette:
You could correct me if you see it differently, of course, but I see coaching as more transactional and mentorship more of that relationship building. Not that you have to be friends with your mentor, but you usually have some affinity with them, right? It’s a different situation than like maybe you pay a coach and you meet with them one-on-one on a Zoom specifically around blogging or something like that. The other thing is that your boss at work, if you are not… If you’re freelancing, that’s you and you’re mentoring yourself perhaps. But no. But if you are working in a situation where you have a supervisor or a boss, that person can have some mentoring capabilities with you.
Michelle Frechette:
But I would, generally speaking, not refer to that person as my mentor because that’s a transactional relationship as well. While you can say, “I’ve had this boss that was a great mentor for me,” that can be true. It probably was that you learned so much from them, but it probably wasn’t a true mentoring relationship. When we’re talking about mentorship, I think we really are talking about something different than an employment situation or a transactional coaching situation. I kind of just wanted to put that out there in advance just to make sure before we start talking about how do I find a mentor, that we are really talking about what true mentorship is.
Allie Nimmons:
Yeah, that’s a really good distinction to make, right? I would definitely describe it in the simplest terms, right? It’s not always the case. A mentor is typically someone who is volunteering their time to help you and a coach is someone you pay.
Michelle Frechette:
Exactly.
Allie Nimmons:
Or at least, like you said, have a transaction. I’ve definitely heard of people who exchange services. It’s like, “Oh, I have a business coach. I design their website and they give me business coaching. That’s the transaction that we have.”
Michelle Frechette:
Exactly.
Allie Nimmons:
Coaches typically are business coaches as a profession, as a job and a mentor is like, “Yeah, I’ll be your mentor,” right? Just for kind of the sake of it, for the experience of it. That’s a really good decision to make. Go ahead.
Michelle Frechette:
I say generally speaking, when you’re done paying your business coach or your coach, that relationship terminates right there.
Allie Nimmons:
It’s over.
Michelle Frechette:
Whereas mentorship usually has some level of continuing to be in touch and follow each other’s paths over time.
Allie Nimmons:
There’s a longevity to that for sure. But yeah, that’s a huge distinction from one or the other too, right? I associate a mentor with softer skills and a business coach with harder skills, right? Or a coach in general with firm skills, whereas a mentor might just be a person that you go to and be like, “Hey, I applied for a job and I got this email back. Can you help me understand what does this mean? How should I reply?” Right? Really individual personal kind of things like that having to do with your profession. Whereas a coach is going to give you really structured help. One might be better for you than the other. If you’re listening to this and you’re thinking like, “Oh, well, maybe I thought I needed a mentor, but maybe what I needed is a coach,” right?
Allie Nimmons:
There’s a difference between the two. I’ve never had a formal mentor before. I’ve never had somebody that I’ve approached and said like, “Will you mentor me?” I recently got a formal mentee, which is really exciting. I offered to mentor. She was actually a guest on the podcast recently. Her name is Gina Innocent. She works at GoDaddy. We were in touch, and we were communicating. She was sharing with me all these things that she’d like to do, but she isn’t really certain how or where to go with those things. I messaged her and I said, “If you want, I would like to mentor you and we can meet every so often and go over your goals and just talk about the community and how things are doing.
Allie Nimmons:
I can share my experiences with you and help you try to achieve some things you want to do.” She was like, “Yeah, that’d be great.” We’re now preparing to have our first meeting and figure out what that relationship’s going to look like, and it’s really, really cool. I know that you’ve had mentees before. I believe you have. Can you tell me a little bit about like how those relationships came to be?
Michelle Frechette:
Yeah. Those relationships came to be mostly because somebody said, “Hey, can I pick your brain,” and got together with those people. At the end of that conversation, they said, “This has been so helpful to me. Would you consider meeting with me more frequently as my mentor and help me get up and running into,” whatever the business is that they were looking to get into. It’s not like… I don’t think they purposely said, “I’m going to go ask Michelle Frechette if she’ll be my mentor.” It was a, “Hey, you have so much knowledge. How can I learn from you?” A one-on-one with coffee turned into like a lifelong relationship. Even though I don’t mentor those people forever and ever, they’re still part of my journey and my life.
Michelle Frechette:
I’m still in touch with them and I still watch them succeed. I feel like the mama there who just watched her cub catch their first salmon or something. I don’t know. I’m just making stuff up now. But yeah, it’s exciting stuff. It’s like having children in a way, right? You raise your children and you watch them do amazing things. You’re so proud of the work that they accomplished. The same, at least for me as a mentor, has been true to watch those people that I’ve mentored succeed in their life journeys and their business journeys and feel like, “Well, I had a small part and it’s really all them because they did it.” Like my daughter, I love it, yes, I raised her, but she is an independent woman who does amazing and great things.
Michelle Frechette:
I can’t take credit for her work, but I know that in part some of me is part of her too. I think that that mentor-mentee relationship has some of that along with it, right? It’s like if I’ve instilled anything in you, whether it’s to help you believe in yourself, to give you those soft skills, to give you some hard skills even, over time to allow you to be successful and confident in your success and in your abilities, then I’m super proud of you, but also really happy that I had any role in helping you achieve that.
Allie Nimmons:
Which is a great thing to point out as far as like… I feel like a lot of potential mentors sometimes there’s this feeling of like, all right, well, I’m giving this person my time and my energy for free. Sometimes it’s kind of like, what am I going to get out of this, right? What’s in it for me? When you’re thinking about your professional time, yeah, sometimes you got to think about it like that. I think a huge part of it is the pride in what they do and what they’ve accomplished to say like, “Yeah, they did that, but I helped. I contributed toward that.” I think it is really… It can be I would think almost a mental health boost, right? Like a confidence boost.
Michelle Frechette:
Absolutely.
Allie Nimmons:
A validating thing of my advice and my wisdom and all of that actually really helped this person and that feels really good. That’s what I am hoping to get out of my new mentor relationship is the confidence that that will hopefully bring me and things like that.
Michelle Frechette:
The other part that really comes into play too is, for me anyway, I have gained so much from other people in my life, right? My journey has not been me walking through a desert and finding success on my own, like any stretch of the imagination. It’s impossible to pay back people who have in any way, shape, or form helped you or mentored you along the way, because they’re so much further in the journey than you are. But you can pay it forward by helping the next generation. Generation is a weird term, but other people who are not as far in your journey, let’s say that, to achieve success.
Michelle Frechette:
It’s definitely a way of paying it forward because even though like forward’s a weird word, like back forward, whatever, it’s helping somebody affect their future and therefore the future of whatever industry, et cetera. If you’ve been helped and you have the ability to help others, I won’t say it’s a responsibility because I think that’s an individual decision. For me, it’s a responsibility. It’s not one I take lightly, but it is when I delight in. If you have it in you to mentor somebody, then I say take that seriously and try it. Try a relationship where you can share with other people. Is every mentor-mentee relationship, does it strike this right balance right at the front? Of course not.
Michelle Frechette:
Just like coaching doesn’t, right? It may be like, “Well, I thought this was going to work, but my schedule doesn’t.” For whatever reason, you may both drift away from that. Don’t take it personally. Things happen. People’s lives change. Things happen in people’s lives that cause them to not have time. But I think it’s almost always a rewarding experience.
Allie Nimmons:
Yeah, for sure. What would you say like if somebody’s coming to you and asking you to mentor them? Well, I’ll start by saying, I would think if I’m approaching somebody and asking, “Will you mentor me?” I would imagine, okay, I should probably have an idea of what I need help with, right? Maybe some goals that I want to accomplish or some problems that I’m having that I need help with, and maybe an idea of how frequently I would need help or how frequently I’d like to connect and touch base, right? Whether it’s once a week or once a month or once a quarter, whatever, or if it’s DMing on a regular basis and then maybe a Zoom call once a month, like an idea of the frequency of the communication.
Allie Nimmons:
Would you say that those are… I was going to say, would you say those are accurate things that a mentee should have? Are there other things that they should think about as well before approaching someone?
Michelle Frechette:
Right. I mean, you’re going to ask questions from a mentee standpoint. I’m going to answer them from a mentor standpoint for the most part. I’ve actually never had a formalized mentor myself. I’ve only been the mentor. But the first question I always ask is, well, what does that mean to you when you’re asking me to mentor you? Because if they’re looking for a coach, that’s not what the relationship is. Sometimes that’s exact… They’re thinking mentor, but they actually need a coach. You know what? When I say, “What does it mean to you? What are your goals? What is it? Where do you see areas for improvement that you need some boost or mentoring in? What time commitment are you expecting from me?”
Michelle Frechette:
All of those questions are very important because as somebody without a lot of spare time, if somebody says, “Well, I was hoping we could meet like twice a week,” sorry, that’s not going to work in my world, right? I don’t have that kind of time. Once a month with a weekly touchpoint through Slack or DMS or texting, that’s much more doable. But then also if you are already mentoring somebody else, you have to take that into account. How many people can you mentor and continue your full-time job and any other side gigs you have too? Getting those kinds of answers before you ask somebody, absolutely. Think about what your answers to those questions are, what are your expectations of that person.
Michelle Frechette:
Be honest, right? If you have great expectations of somebody, go ahead and say that, but then don’t be upset if they don’t have the time to accommodate you, or if they offer an alternate solution.
Allie Nimmons:
That makes so much sense. That was something else I wanted to touch on is like, if you approach someone about being a mentor or a mentee to you and they say no, they say no thanks or I don’t have the time for that, don’t take that personally, right? Don’t let that discourage you. Don’t take that as like an insult or anything. I think especially since the pandemic, people have been very precious with their time and their energy. We’ve all been learning what our batteries are and our boundaries. Sometimes it’s not the right time for that kind of relationship for someone. I would hate for someone to be like, “m going to ask this person I really admire to mentor me,” and then get a know and feel super discouraged. Don’t take that personally.
Michelle Frechette:
I mean, for example, I lost my dad in March, which we’ve talked about and people know, because I’m not secretive about it. But you might ask somebody who’s going through something in their personal life that they’re not willing to divulge to you. Them saying no to you, I don’t have time right now, doesn’t mean they don’t have time for you. It means they don’t have time. Don’t take it personally at all if somebody doesn’t have the capacity or the bandwidth at that particular point in time to mentor you. It’s always an honor to be asked, but it isn’t always feasible to be able to make the time.
Allie Nimmons:
That might be an opportunity for you to be like, “Okay, I understand. Thanks for considering it. Is there somebody else that you might recommend given what I’ve asked you?” That person might have somebody else in mind that has a similar skill set or experience level that might make a good mentor that does have time. Don’t think of it as like a brick wall. There is probably a way that you can find a connection still through that opportunity. When I started talking with Gina, I asked her what were her goals, what did she want to work toward, how often she wanted to meet.
Allie Nimmons:
I asked her how comfortable she feels just moving forward indefinitely, or if she feels like she wants like kind of a termed thing, like let’s meet for six months and then kind of see how we feel, because also we don’t know each other all that well. You might connect with somebody and then find that personality wise maybe you don’t love talking to them every week, right? Maybe it’s not a good fit. I kind of wanted to give her the option to have an out at the end of six months to just be like, “I don’t really think this is working for me.” And then I also asked her what her biggest pet peeve was. I was like, “I want to add a fun question.”
Allie Nimmons:
I also know that I think when you start a relationship like that with someone, even if it’s professional business goals that you’re working toward, you really get to know the person on a personal level. I was really curious of like, “Okay, well, what ticks you off, right? What makes you mad that maybe I should avoid?” We found out we have like very similar pet peeves, which is basically other people being stupid is like our biggest pet peeve. We were able to laugh about that. My point there is like if you are a mentor, I think it’s a good idea to try to make that experience fun, right? Even if it’s dry businessy sort of stuff that you’re working on, make it a fun experience for that person. Make them excited about the work that they’re doing and all of that stuff.
Allie Nimmons:
Because otherwise, I think… My biggest not fear, but the thing that I want to avoid the most is that she will get bored, right? And then not actually accomplish her goals because she doesn’t feel motivated. She doesn’t feel engaged. I feel like part of my role as the mentor is to make sure that she remains engaged and having fun with it and focused and all of those things.
Michelle Frechette:
I would say though that the onus of the mentoring relationship is on the mentee. I, as a mentor, don’t know what your needs are. I, as a mentor, don’t know what you’re dealing with. You have to bring that to me and then I could help you work through it. Yes, you can absolutely make it fun. You can do all things. I assign homework sometimes, right? It’s like, I’m having trouble writing my bio. Great. Come back next week with a bio we can massage. I’m not going to sit here and help you write it, but you make a first attempt at it and then we can fix it next week. Those kinds of things.
Michelle Frechette:
And that’s just one small example, of course, but being able to kind of put the onus of responsibility for what the topics are on a week to week basis or month to month, whatever timeframe, is really on the mentee who’s going through things that they need to bring to the table for help with, right? I’m not just sitting there as a blank canvas waiting for my mentor to tell me how to be the next thing I want to be. It’s definitely a relationship and something that you have to work through.
Allie Nimmons:
Given that, in Black Press right now, the Black Press Slack, of which I’m a co-organizer, we are currently working on a system or a method or a process through which we can match mentors and mentees together in kind of a formal way, right? They fill out a survey or a form that says what they’re looking for and blah, blah, blah, blah. We can match people together and kind of help bridge that awkward like gap of like, “Well, should I ask this person? Should I not? Are they even interested in this?” Making things easier for people, because we noticed that in our WordPress space, there’s not really a space for that.
Allie Nimmons:
There’s not really a method for that. It’s really just sort of you just kind of hope you find someone cool. Do you feel like there’s a preferred way within… If somebody’s listening right now and they’re like new to the WordPress world, how would you recommend that they connect with someone as far as like finding a mentor?
Michelle Frechette:
I really do like to pick your brain idea, right? Even if you’re paying somebody, right? If somebody says like… Well, like us, for example, on Underrepresented in Tech, you pay us for an hour of our time, you can pick our brain. I have that on my calendar as well. If people ask that, I can certainly give them that link, or if I’m feeling kind, I can donate that hour to them, whatever it is. But use that time to kind of get to know each other. Bring one specific topic that you want to pick their brain on. At the end of that time, think to yourself, well… Think of it almost like a test run, right? And ask, is this somebody that I’d want to mentor me on a regular basis? I know they had some time to do this today.
Michelle Frechette:
Maybe if I approach them about a mentoring relationship, they would be open to that. Kind of pick people’s brains about different topics if they’re open to spending time with you to do that, and then be honest with them at the end. Say, “I’m also looking for a mentor. I think you might be a good fit for me. Would you have the time to be able to do that?” As opposed to just like DM somebody out of the blue like, “Hey, I like you. Will you be my mentor?” What? Who are you? It can be awkward, but it doesn’t have to be. Let’s say it that way.
Allie Nimmons:
That’s a really good point, like the idea that just because you follow… We need to be very aware of like our parasocial relationships, right? There’s lots of people I follow on Twitter that I feel like I know because I followed them and I read their content a lot. But if I were to ever actually just start speaking to them, it would be like, “Oh, hi. Nice to meet you. Who are you again?” Right? We’ve never actually spoken to each other. I think it’s important that you have a little bit of a kind of fit in the door with that person as far as an initial conversation or two. That made it a lot easier when I reached out to Gina, because she had already been on the podcast. We chatted for almost two hours.
Allie Nimmons:
Part of that was recorded, part of it wasn’t, but we chatted a lot and we immediately had like friendship chemistry. We got along really well. We had a lot of the same thoughts and interests. A lot of the things that she said she wanted to do and work on were things that I already had experience in. I was like, “Oh, well, if you ever need help with that, let me know. I’d be happy to help you.” And then 10 minutes later, “Oh, well, if you ever need help with that thing too, let me know.” I felt like after that conversation, the wheels were oiled, right? Whatever that term is, right? The gears were whatever.
Michelle Frechette:
In motion.
Allie Nimmons:
Yeah. I was like, okay, for me to reach out and offered to mentor her, it’s not coming out of the blue. We already know each other. I know that she feels comfortable talking to me. It’s not super random. But if she had reached out to me before we had ever spoken and asked for me to mentor her, I kind of would’ve been like, “Well, I mean, thanks for asking, but…” I would’ve been a lot more hesitant because I didn’t know her. I mean, this is where I think one of the huge benefits of our events come in, right? If you go to a WordPress event, even if you go to a virtual one and you talk to someone in the chat or the hallway chat or whatever open meeting space they have online, you can build a relationship that way and then approach someone afterward with that request.
Michelle Frechette:
Yeah, absolutely.
Allie Nimmons:
I mean, better yet, personal event, you meet somebody and you chat and you chat and you chat and then you can build that relationship. But it should definitely not come out of the blue if possible.
Michelle Frechette:
Right. Slide into their DMs. Will you be my mentor? That could be a little awkward for sure. I also just kind of also want to point it out that we always… I shouldn’t say always. I hate that word. Always and never should never be used. There’s no reason that mentors need to be older than you. We have this mental image that a mentor is older than the mentee, right? Like a teacher-student situation, but teachers don’t need to be older than students either. You can learn from people. They just need to be a little further in the journey than you are, so they can give you advice and help from a perspective of experience and knowledge. Somebody younger than you can absolutely be your mentor. Don’t think you have to look for somebody older than you all the time.
Allie Nimmons:
Absolutely. I don’t want to put Gina on blast. I think I’m younger than her. She can correct me very publicly on Twitter if she wants to, but I think I might be a year or two younger than her. But yeah, that’s a really good point, because I’ve been active in the community longer than she has, right? That’s one of the things she wants help with. She wants to become more active and do more things and blah, blah, blah. When I offered to mentor her, it was more of like I professionally have been where you are and wanted to get where you’re trying to go and I’ve done that, so I’d like to help you.
Allie Nimmons:
Most of my mentors though have been older than me. I think that that’s just a byproduct of like our community doesn’t… There’s not a lot of people my age that are active in the community. It just happens that my mentors are older than me. But you’re totally right. Whatever your community you’re in, age doesn’t necessarily need to be a factor in that.
Michelle Frechette:
Exactly. Exactly. I just want to put out the caveat too that just because we’re talking about mentorship does not mean we have the open invitation to slide into our DMs to mentor you, cause we’re both very busy people. It also doesn’t mean that we’re not open to opportunities, but this is not an advertisement for mentees.
Allie Nimmons:
I have one new mentee and I’m going to stick with just her for a while. Make sure I can give her all my attention. But we do have a pick our brain service. The next best thing that we can advertise is on our services page, you can always book time to pick our brains for an hour.
Michelle Frechette:
Absolutely.
Allie Nimmons:
Cool. All right.
Michelle Frechette:
Next week, we actually have a special guest coming. If it doesn’t happen, then I’ll be like, oh, well, it didn’t happen. But next week we have Maddy Osman coming and joining us.
Allie Nimmons:
Maddy Osman. She’s so cool.
Michelle Frechette:
I know. She’s launching a brand new book next week. I’ll tease that out a little bit, but look for her new book next week. I should have it up in front of me. I don’t have a title of it. Sorry, Maddy, but she has a chapter in there about tone and how to write for inclusiveness. We’re going to talk to Maddy next week about how you can make sure that your content you’re creating is more inclusive. I’m super excited about that.
Allie Nimmons:
Absolutely. I think it’s called… Oh no. I tried to pull up her Twitter so I can find it really fast. It’s called Writing for Humans and Robots.
Michelle Frechette:
Yes. Yes.
Allie Nimmons:
Very exciting.
Michelle Frechette:
It is exciting. She’s awesome. I can’t wait to introduce her to people if they haven’t met yet.
Allie Nimmons:
Yeah, she’s really cool. Great. Awesome. Well, thanks for talking to me today, Michelle.
Michelle Frechette:
Anytime, you know that. Love you.
Allie Nimmons:
Love you. Talk to you later, everyone. Bye.
Michelle Frechette:
Bye.
Allie Nimmons:
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