Show Notes

From Harrison Butker’s anti-feminist, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-abortion, anti-IVF, anti-surrogacy…well anti-almost-anything-he-doesn’t-agree-with speech to the men who don’t take no for an answer in DMs (and worse), Samah and Michelle not only understand when women say “they choose the bear,” but themselves choose the bear, too.

Reference Article: Harrison Butker ‘homemaker’ speech sparks backlash

Episode Transcript

[00:00:03] Speaker B: Hello, Samah.


[00:00:06] Speaker A: Hello, Michelle. How are you?


[00:00:08] Speaker B: I am good. How are you?


[00:00:10] Speaker A: I’m good. I’m working from home, so I don’t have this awesome Yoast feedback, but I have my awesome Yoast t-shirt.


[00:00:17] Speaker B: So I see.


[00:00:18] Speaker A: I’m good.


[00:00:19] Speaker B: That’s awesome. I love it. It’s good to see you, as always.


[00:00:23] Speaker A: Thank you. How was your weekend? I know you were off yesterday in the States. So, did you have a fun weekend?


[00:00:29] Speaker B: I did. So Naisha Green is here visiting me for a few days. And yesterday? Well, on Sunday, we went to the Montezuma Wildlife Refuge, where I took all those bird pictures and everything. And I was giving her some instructions on how to use the camera and things like that. And she got some really good photos, which I think she’ll share eventually.


And then yesterday, we went to Niagara Falls. She brought her passport so that we could enter Canada.


There’s a new, in the last year or two, the old power plant at Niagara.


They have an elevator that takes you down to the main tunnel that they used to use to get through because it’s all these like water turbines and things, right? That used to power like Nikola Tesla’s, Tesla City, and things like that. And it’s, when you get to, it’s 280ft down in this elevator, and then it’s 2200ft walk through this tunnel and it’s very, it was very cold. It was 60 degrees. It’s like year-round; it’s 60 degrees in the tunnel. And I was on my scooter. Of course, poor Naisha was walking the whole thing. But when we got, you get towards the end and like, you start to see the light at the end of the tunnel, literally. And you walk outside, and you’re at the water level of the base of the falls, and you look up, and there are the horseshoe falls right there beside you. I mean, you can’t reach out and touch them a little bit further than that. The maid of the mist boat is like there in the water. And it was just; it was truly an awe-inspiring experience. I did post some pictures of it on Twitter last night. So if anybody is interested, they can certainly go and look at that. But it was really fun. We’re having a lot of fun. She goes home tomorrow. So we can’t do everything we want to do in three days. But tonight, we get garbage plates for dinner and some Rochester delicacies. You must google it if you don’t know what it is. It is basically a heart attack on a plate, but it is such good food.


[00:02:33] Speaker A: That’s nice. That’s good. I’m really happy that she’s visiting you. And I hope it was 30 days instead of three days, but.


[00:02:41] Speaker B: Exactly. But we’re having a lot of fun together and. Yeah, it’s just been great. It’s been great.


How was your weekend? I know you had a little bit of oral surgery. So, did you sound good?


[00:02:54] Speaker A: I’m good. I’m good.


My weekend was fun. My husband is into running, and I want to cheer him up. I don’t like running. Even running for my life. I will not do that. I will walk for my life. And I was proud of him. And he finished eleven KM. I don’t know how kilometers. I don’t know how to change the miles; he ran 11 km in 1 hour. So I was proud of him. So, yeah, he. He’s really doing well. And, of course, we had fun going to eat and watching a couple of movies, and it’s nice having him around. So, yeah, it was. It was a relaxing, chill weekend. Yeah.


[00:03:35] Speaker B: I love that. Well, you sent over to me an article that is about Harrison Butker. I keep calling his name wrong. I keep saying, but Kiss, who was another football coach, was Dick Butkiss. So I have them like the name messed up my head. But Harrison Butker. You sent me a article.


[00:03:58] Speaker A: Yeah.


[00:03:58] Speaker B: And this guy, if people haven’t heard, made a graduation speech recently at a Catholic university. He is himself a professed Catholic. And he basically told everyone in the room, but addressed the women specifically, that even though they’ve been sold a dia. Like, what did he say? Diabolical lies their whole life.


[00:04:24] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. He said that. It came literally out of his mouth.


[00:04:28] Speaker B: Yeah. I’m trying to find exactly where it’s, where it says, like his actual speech on here. Sorry. I’m scrolling rapidly because I just read the whole thing, and then I’m looking for the right spot. But.


But he told people that they are telling female graduates that one of their most important roles in life will be a homemaker.


He said that his wife hadn’t even come to understand that her life had truly started here. To us, he said, some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. Then, he added that his wife’s life had truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.


And that Isabel, his wife, had embraced one of the most important titles of all: homemaker.


He also. Just to get it out there, he also criticized abortion LGBTQ+ pride and said, where’d it go? Oh, he attacked IVF, surrogacy, degenerate cultural values, gender ideologies, and the tyranny of diversity, equity, and inclusion, which, of course, is what we talk about here.


[00:05:48] Speaker A: Yeah.


[00:05:50] Speaker B: When I tell you, when I first saw that, I thought, truly, this was, like, a parody.


It was not. This man was actually saying those things to women who had worked very hard to achieve their goals and get a degree, not in homemaking, but in whatever their chosen vocation is. Now, as feminists, I’ll say this, and then I’m gonna let you talk, too. I promise. But as a feminist, I will absolutely, 100% defend his wife’s right to choose to be a homemaker, call that her vocation, and put all of her energy into creating a home and family if that is her choice. A true feminist says I am so happy you get to make that choice.


So, I just wanted to put that out there. I do not put down women who choose to be stay-at-home wives and mothers. That is their prerogative, but their decision should not tell the rest of us that that’s what we must do. So you said this article. What are your thoughts?


[00:07:00] Speaker A: Okay. First, also, as a feminist, I believe we should respect. I totally agree 100% with you. We should respect each other choices. If you want to work, if you want to have kids, if you don’t want to have kids, if you want to have your own business, I fully agree. But it’s not allowed for men or any other gender. Just to put you in that category, this is what you will do; you’re not allowed to do anything. Going back to this amazing. I don’t want to. I’m going to choose amazing. But he’s not because I cannot say any other thing.


His comments were sexist. I think they were homophobic, anti-trans, anti-abortion, and racist. Yes. These dehumanizing remarks against LGBTQ+ individuals, attacks on abortion rights, and racial discrimination like it was so crazy. And also undermined human rights because, as a human being, I can do whatever I want. It was so crazy. In one sentence, he said, it pushed my buttons. When he talked about the LGBTQ+ group, “deadly sin sort of pride that has a month dedicated to it.” It was really crazy. And when he was talking about women, you’re excited to get married, but not all of us want to get married, not all of us want to have kids. And that’s totally, totally okay. And when he was talking about IVF and surrogacy for me, I was really pissed off. Because there are a lot of amazing couples, they have issues, and not because they have issues, then we’re going to shame them if they have IVF or surrogacy, or even adoption. Like, when he was attacking abortion, and it’s really women’s right to do it, sometimes they can’t physically able to do it. Some women don’t want to be mothers, so they give birth to a child, and they put the poor child into adoption, which is totally her decision. I respect it. But if she has an option to have an abortion, then we’re not going to reach this moment. Yeah. I don’t know. He pissed me off. I was watching his speech, and I read the article; it’s so crazy and crazy that I think he doesn’t understand that when he says something publicly, especially people like famous people, footballers, sports people, singers, and anyone who has many followers in social media, that what they say can be fragmented and last with them forever. For me I also was shocked by his team that they didn’t react and they said what he said was personal. And I was reading another article about nearly 160,000 people from Kansas just signed a petition for him to get fired because he’s crazy.


I’m really passionate about it.


I don’t have a blacklist, but now I added him to my blacklist as a human being. It’s like, you know, you don’t worth it. 


[00:10:23] Speaker B: At all. What’s interesting is the article that you sent. We’ll link this article in the show notes if people are interested in reading it for themselves. But Stephanie Hills, a former NFL cheerleader for the Chiefs, his team, said on TikTok that the best part of your speech was when you said, stay in your lane over ten times, bro. Take your own advice.


Well, yeah, so I will have to start following Stephanie Hills. Cause like a girlfriend, good for you. And then Whoopi Goldberg on the View is like, she’s a liberal, right? According to this article anyway, she said, these are his beliefs and he’s welcome to them. I don’t have to believe them, right? I don’t have to accept them. And then, like another person, Patrick Mahomes, also from that team, said, honestly, I don’t talk to him all year long. I let him do his thing. So silence or, like, let him have his thoughts or whatever. That’s actually, to me, acquiescence in a way, right? So, yes, absolutely, have your thoughts. But he didn’t just have his thoughts. He brought his thoughts to a public forum and imposed them on everybody in that room. And because everybody in that room has video and cameras on their phones and everything, it brought it to the greater, like, out to all of us. Right? So now we’ve all been exposed to his thoughts. Now, you could say the same thing about me, right? I’m sitting here on a podcast. I’m putting things out publicly. I am not forcing anybody in a room to sit and listen to this. Nobody has to listen to our podcast that doesn’t want to, doesn’t believe in what we have to say, any of that. So, while I believe that people are allowed to be wrong because I think he’s wrong, he didn’t just have thoughts. He shared them as a celebrity with a following in a very public forum, which is very different than, you know. So for Woody Goldberg to say, hey, he’s allowed to do that. Yeah, he’s absolutely allowed to have his thoughts. He isn’t allowed to force them on other people. And I think that that’s where he’s crossed the line there. And it also, like, you and I are both on TikTok. I mentioned TikTok at least once every episode.


The whole asking a woman if she was alone in the woods, would she rather encounter a man she didn’t know or a bear, let me tell you, knowing that there’s a million but crews out there. That sounded funny to say, um, I will take the freakin bear every single time. And here’s the reason why. Bears are predictable, right?


[00:13:09] Speaker A: Yeah.


[00:13:10] Speaker B: You can also spoof; they don’t want to encounter you as long as you aren’t encroaching on their territory. Right. Unless they are super hungry. And I mean, yes, bears attack. 100%. I agree. Bears attack. But the majority of the time, a bear is going to hear a person, and they’re screaming.


Men are unpredictable, and. Yes, absolutely.


[00:13:30] Speaker A: Right.


[00:13:30] Speaker B: Before they all say it, before we get the comments. Not all men. Yes, we know. Not all men, but the strange man in the woods we don’t know.


[00:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I totally agree with you. I will take bear anytime. I’ll take even lion. I will take anything. It will be easier. Sometimes I like to read some story or listen to a podcast about criminals and things like that. You are shocked at what a normal human being can think about. Of course, I don’t believe they’re normal, and men are the harassers. Like, hardly ever there will women rape a kid or something. But men have a 12majority. Not all of the men. As you said, there are a lot of good men around the world.


But. Yeah, I totally agree. He has the right to express his opinion, but I’m not okay with him saying it because he has this platform instead of encouraging people to ask women to do whatever they want.


Talk about. Girls, maybe, like, talking about the high state health insurance bills. Talking about maybe, I don’t know, the racism. There are millions of things to talk about and use his voice to talk about. I’m not going to attack LGBTQ+ or attack abortion or IVF and just, like, just go stay at home, and you’re excited to get married and have kids. I totally disagree that it’s okay to say these things. No, you should be held accountable.


[00:15:16] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely.


When you have a public platform like that, and you use it against people, it should not be allowed. There should be sanctions for that, and the NFL should have sanctions for that. They just. They should. And even though his team’s like, that was in his personal time. No, he still represents the team. He is still a member of the team. And he only has that stage that day because of his position on that team, not because he has anything else going on in his world. And there’s been a lot of comparison to Colin. I don’t. I’ve heard his name pronounced so many different ways, but Colin Kaepernick. Or Kaepernick.


It’s funny because when you go, and you look him up now, it says that his title is civil rights activist. He was a football player, and he played for. I’m looking it up here for the San Francisco 49ers. 


During Black Lives Matter, the height of it. Don’t be wrong. It’s not over. Right. But during the height of it, after George Floyd’s death and maybe even a little bit before, actually, I think it was before, he protested having to stand for the national anthem because the national anthem represents a country that doesn’t value all lives. Right? So all these. All lives matter. People don’t actually value our lives. We know that we’ve talked about that before on this podcast, not necessarily with you, but yes, in general, he lost his job as a player on the 49ers because he would take a knee instead of standing for the national anthem. There is no legal requirement that a person in the United States has to stand for a national anthem. There’s no legal requirement that if people are saying the pledge of allegiance, you have to stand, put your hand over your heart, and say the national anthem or say the pledge of allegiance. We have in this country, our first amendment right is the right to freedom of speech. Of speech, but we do not have the right to. Freedom of speech is a governmental thing. So I can speak out against my government. I can speak out against anything I want to, and I have the right to do that. But the right to freedom of speech does not mean you don’t have consequences outside of the government. The government cannot. They cannot put me in jail because I said I didn’t like Donald Trump when he was president, right? Like, if I make. If I were to make threats against the presidency, absolutely. That’s different. That’s not free speech. That is intent for criminal activity. So people get all these things mixed up. And I know it’s different in all parts of the world, but this guy is in the United States. So that’s why I’m talking about it in particular. But. But the thing is that people are like, I can say whatever I want. I have free speech. They can’t fire me because I know you don’t work for the government. They absolutely can fire you. They can fire you because you are doing something against the rules. When people say like, this restaurant can’t kick me out, it’s a public place. No, it’s a private establishment that serves the public, and it’s their right to remove people that they don’t want in their establishment. Like, that’s how free speech works. You are not free from the consequences of the words that you put out into the world.


Colin Kipperdick was not free of the consequences of his right to protest. He lost his job.


I agree with what he did, and I’m glad that he’s got this title now as a civil rights activist.


He should not have lost his job for what he did because he was just saying, until all lives matter, I’m not gonna stand for the national anthem. He never came out and slammed all these people like Butker did. So. But Ker is also not free from the consequences of what he says, which is why we’re talking about him today because we can. Yes.


[00:19:11] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. One small piece of information is that I love Formula One, and there is one driver. I’m obsessed with him because of what he did for Black Lives Matter. He’s a British. His name is Lewis Hamilton. And what he did he kneeled on one knee before the race. And most of the players did that to them. He brought awareness campaigns to a majority of European people who did not follow what happened in the states. And people started reading more about why you should not paint yourself black and what the people of color have been suffering in this state. And that. That is amazing. So, he uses a platform to educate a lot of people about what people are doing on other continents. Why did this person just bring us back to 400, 500 years ago?


[00:20:04] Speaker B: So, yeah, yeah. It’s absolutely insane.


But as I was telling you before this episode, the patriarchy still exists, right? Like, you know that. I mean, I wasn’t teaching it to you. I was just commenting about it, you know, just as I do. The patriarchy still exists. And like the whole, like, down with the patriarchy and whatever, as feminists, I want equality. I am not looking for women to dominate men to take their jobs. I want equality. Right? That’s what it’s about.


I was sharing some with you—some DMs. Ellie and I have had episodes before of these creeps sliding into my DMs, right?


A lot of the time, it’s just scammers like, oh, you’re so beautiful, blah, blah, blah. And sometimes, on platforms where they don’t even have a picture of me, and I don’t even have my name. I used to get that on words with the Friends app.


You don’t know anything except user number XY 757 or whatever. It’s like, oh, you’re so beautiful. How do you know? How do you know those kinds of things? But I am pretty non-discriminatory when it comes to accepting requests on Facebook.


And so if I have mutual friends with you, I will probably go to, okay, sure, no problem.


But then I get those things where people kind of take advantage and try to come into my DM’s for things. And I’m going to read the one I read to you, define it prior to us recording. So on April 1, I had connected somebody. I got a thumbs up from this guy, and at 03 AM in the morning, when I’m sure I was in a meeting or something, I got a missed audio call from him. First of all, if I don’t really know you, don’t call me. Just like, message me, right? I didn’t answer it. And he says, how are you doing? And, like, later that day, I said, I’m fine. And then, at 3:30 in the morning on April 4, he says, hi. I was asleep. So it’s seven in the morning. I’m like, hey, how are you? I’m like, I’m okay, thanks. Get a missed video call from him. Now. I was awake, but I’m not answering a video call from somebody I don’t know for sure. And I said, don’t call me on here. And he says, why? I said I don’t know you. And especially not at 02:00 a.m.


he’s like, but you’re my friend. And I said, don’t call me, period. Like, let’s get it. Let’s be real honest here, folks. Just because you friend somebody on Facebook does not make them your friend; it just means you’re connected. It’s a connection, right?


At 5 AM this morning, the man tried to video call me again. I was awake because I wasn’t feeling great this morning, and I was just like, what the heck? So I took a screenshot of literally two messages before where I said, don’t call me. And I sent it to him. And I said, remember when I said, don’t call me? It’s right there. He says, okay, are you busy? I said, it’s not even 06:00 a.m. What do you want? Of course I’m putting inflection, right? Like, it’s just words. And he says I want to talk to you. I said, about what? I’m Shawn; I’m from Bangladesh. I said, okay, what do you want to talk about? I’m a freelancer. I’m a digital marketer and WordPress developer. I said, so what did you want to talk about? Like saying, let’s talk about stuff. I can see all of that in your profile, dude.


He says, are you angry with me? I said, I just want to know what you want to talk about. You keep saying you want to talk. I need some projects I want to talk to you about. So there it is, right? People are constantly asking me for work. We know that. That’s what I said. I don’t have any projects for you. He gives me the crying emoji. So, I give him the get real emoji. And I said, by the way, I would never hire somebody who disregards my boundaries. And he responds with an angry emoji.


And I said, okay, bye, I’m going to block you now. And I waited till I knew that he saw that before I blocked him because it was a little bit of petty in me to make sure I knew he saw it before I blocked him. And that was the end of that conversation. But just last week, I had a message from some guy who owns a media somewhere, 40. This is the thing, right? If you are coming to me and telling me that you can get me millions of followers on Twitter, by the way, I have over 17,000 followers. I’m happy with that. Like, I don’t need millions of followers.


But this guy has 42 followers, and he’s trying to tell me how he could help me with social media.


And he went really long thing with ten things he can help me. Social media management, content creation, blah, blah, blah. And I’m always polite because I don’t want people screenshotting the stuff I’m putting out there. But if you’re going to cross boundaries, I will start to cross boundaries with you, like the last guy. And I said thank you, but I prefer to manage my own accounts. He says, okay, with three thumbs up. And then he says, but I think you may have many endeavors as a social media marketer. I can be of help. I work for you for free to see how my agency can assist you. I said, no, thank you. And then he comes back with, okay, I actually see myself working for you, so who knows what the future may hold? And that felt creepy. That felt like the true crime stuff you were talking about. That kind of thing leads to me seeing myself working for you, and you’ll end up in my freezer. Like, okay, now you’re there. But that’s the patriarchal stuff that I’m talking about. I absolutely have had women ask me for jobs 100%. But for every hundred men that have asked me for a job or to work for me or whatever, one woman, maybe two, like, I literally have had. I can count on one hand the times that women slid into my DMs begging for work, as opposed to all these men who would help me and do better. Okay, first of all, dude, I have, like, I’m encroaching 18,000 followers on Twitter. You have 42 followers. Who do you think understands social media better? Hint. It’s not you, dude.


And I thought the bln dog because many people look at me and go, oh, my gosh. 17,000. That’s a lot. And some people look at me and like, oh, that’s cute. Like, it. It’s all. It’s irrelevant.


But, like, you don’t slide into somebody’s DM’s. Like, a person once friended me or followed me on Twitter, and she had put as her bio that she was on social media. I don’t remember if she used the word expert or guru or something like that. And I was like, she had nine followers. I’m like, maybe don’t put that in your profile till you grow a little. Anyway, I’m off. I’m completely off the path here. But back to the point of patriarchy and feminism and all of those things. When a woman says no, the answer is no.


When a woman sets boundaries and says, don’t call me, don’t call her.


These are the reasons we chose the bear. It’s the Butkers in the world. It’s the cha ones of the world. It’s whoever this was. Vibe wave media on Twitter. It’s. These are the people who made us choose the bear. If I get mauled by a bear, do you know what nobody says? Well, what was she wearing?


Maybe she was asking for it. Nobody’s like, well, did she have salmon in her pockets? Like, that was actually. That was. Naisha said that part.


I was like, oh, that’s a good one. I’m gonna use that. But none of those things are things that people come to us and nobody ever says. They might say, ” Oh, my gosh, you wandered into a place you shouldn’t have wandered into, but nobody’s like, I bet you were asking for it. Oh, had you been drinking? Like, all of those things that we hear as women, right?


I will choose the bear over the Butker, the Cha ones, and the Vibe Wave Media because I am done with defending myself as a woman to these people.


[00:27:57] Speaker A: Yeah, people. They should respect boundaries more and more. Like you said, I totally understand it. No is no. I get a couple of messages like, DM me; you’re nice. I don’t reply. Or someone asks, you look beautiful. Yeah. I use concealer, and then I just, like, immediately block them. Or someone said, like, oh, would you like to chat? No. And I block. I found sometimes, how can I say? It’s so crazy. It’s like how I want to know what goes in the brain when people do that and set boundaries. I know you’re a very strong woman, but when we say no as a strong woman, then we just start people calling us different names. And that sometimes also causes another issue that you have to explain yourself. But setting boundaries is important. But the most important of that is people respecting it. And I don’t know, sometimes they think if you said no, that you’re playing hard to get, or that they want to go more and more just for you. And I found that to be so annoying. I will be more stubborn when I say no, and somebody just keeps going for me. Something with work, something, my personal life, something anyway. No is no. But yeah, you need. How can I say? Where I grew up. I was not like this in my teens or twenties. We now, in my culture, have to say yes and be nice. No, it’s not allowed to say it. But I just, I can say I’m proud of myself, that 15 years I can sit boundaries and I say no. No is no. Yeah.


[00:29:43] Speaker B: I’m proud of you, too.


[00:29:45] Speaker A: Thank you.


[00:29:47] Speaker B: And I grew up in a time when women didn’t say no. Like, so I’m older, and I think that, you know, my daughter didn’t grow up. Like, and I’ve mentioned this before, like, my guidance counselor, I graduated in the top 25 students out of over 300 students in my class. And my guidance counselor told me I should study BSD at home, Mom. I should work on finding a husband, not going to college. I have two degrees. I have all but a dissertation on a doctorate. Like, f her, quite honestly. Right? Like, but nobody told my daughter that she couldn’t do those things right. She’s 32 years old now, and I definitely never told her she couldn’t do those things right because I have always encouraged her. But I come from a timeframe, like, you come from a culture. I come from a timeframe where women were supposed to be subservient to men, and we were supposed to say yes, sir, no, sir. They are supposed to be secretaries, nurses, and teachers. And if we didn’t do one of those things, we were supposed to be stay-at-home moms, or if we were a secretary, nurse, or teacher, we were also still supposed to take care of the house and the children. I remember my mother being stressed out some days if we weren’t going to get home in time to have dinner on the table for my father at 530 when he got home because he walked through that door and expected to sit down and eat dinner. My mother grew up when she was 20; she was 18 when she married my dad. As she grew over that relationship, they were married 13 years, she developed an f you, Phil kind of attitude over time, and she’s like, make your own damn dinner. Like, he came home one day, this. I know we’re way off-topic here. He came home and was so angry that his shirts hadn’t been ironed and the laundry hadn’t been done.


[00:31:27] Speaker A: Yeah.


[00:31:27] Speaker B: She had three kids to raise. We had a big dog, we had a huge house, a big old farmhouse up in Massachusetts. So there was a lot to take care of.


He came home, and he said my shirts hadn’t been ironed. The next day. This is my mother. This is where I get my snarky side if you’ve ever been curious. My mother spent the whole morning ironing every single one of his shirts, hung them in the closet, and then put a big old sign in front that said, how do I love thee? Let me count your shirts.


So, yeah, I come by it honestly, but.


But that’s. But that’s. Those are the things that we have to overcome. I have to overcome the culture of my youth. You have to overcome. You had to overcome the culture that you like. I overcame a time period. You have overcome a culture, and those are things that. And I am proud of us both as women that we can talk on a podcast today about setting boundaries and about, like, the patriarchy. So I’m gonna leave it there.


[00:32:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And I. I don’t know if someone is listening to us. And I hope to go back. My mother told me that I could do whatever I wanted when I was a little girl, and thanks to her, she was like, she was coming from a different time in our culture. She’s. She was amazing.


The thing is that when you tell someone this is your limitation, sadly, they come to believe that this is their limitation in life. I cannot go on. There are many amazing women around the world who give a lot for science and a lot for humanity.


I’m not going to mention names because I know I need to stay for 2 hours talking about all of their names because there’s a lot. But all of those women, without them, there’s a lot of things we could not have now in our daily life and in here. And Mister Butker, I hope, pronounce his name. I have, like, a twelve-year-old.


[00:33:30] Speaker B: Laughing at his name now. That’s just so silly.


[00:33:32] Speaker A: But yes, he should go back and live in the 12th century or the 15th century because there he belongs, where he wants to. And yeah, I think he has two kids. I don’t know if they’re girls or boys. I don’t know, but I don’t care either. I hope they’re not girls. I hope they are boys. Otherwise, the poor girls will be traumatized. Instead of empowering your wife, empower the women around you in your life because now he’s making money, let’s say, and he has a good career. But force majeure can happen in life to any man who’s responsible or the breadwinner. And then, if, let’s say, I hope not for him or anyone, the man died. Then, the wife is stuck with the kids and has no career or job to support herself and the kids. Let’s say this is the worst scenario. Like, I won’t say about it; it’s good, you will feel good about yourself. Your kids will grow to be different from seeing. My mom is working at home, and my dad is bringing everything for us. But yeah, he should. Oh, my God. I remember when I first read the article and then I was seeing TikTok and I love TikTok and see people reacting to him. I was laughing. And people are committing on Twitter. But, yeah, but we should not listen to him. We talked about him and how I can say his, what he said, and what he’s going to do is going to go to the history garbage because it’s not going to be worth it. Nobody is going to listen to him, and, yeah, I really wish that he had boys; he doesn’t have girls because I’m now thinking about the poor girls. How are they going to grow up since they’re five years old? You’re going to wear pink high heels, and you’re gonna get married. This is, I think, what he said.


[00:35:24] Speaker B: Although I’d almost rather he had girls than boys because he’s just going to perpetuate that for the next generation if he raises men just like him. So, the bottom line, he shouldn’t have children, but he does. So.


[00:35:36] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I don’t want to sound awful, too. Some people should not have kids, but anyway, yeah, there we are.


[00:35:42] Speaker B: There you have it. But, yeah, so, sir, you can have your, you can have your thoughts, but we do not have to. Not only do we not have to agree with what you have to say, we can cancel you. There’s, like you said, a petition to remove him from his team. There are all of these things.


But this is, at least, my final conversation about him because I am removing him from my life going forward. He’s not worth the time. He was worth the time to talk about empowering women, not to talk about him in particular. Although you did make a comment before we started recording that he has a foot—like, he has a foot, and he can kick.


Man, I aspire to do so much more in my life than kicking a ball.


[00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah, same here. Yeah, he just kicked the ball. Yeah, that’s it.


[00:36:33] Speaker B: Yeah, that was all. Anyway.


All right, well, I think I’ve kicked this topic enough.


[00:36:41] Speaker A: So we often put him in the pan. I don’t know. In Arabic, we say when you talk about someone, you put him in a hot pan and just grill him. Grill him. Now we griledl him.


[00:36:51] Speaker B: We throw him.


[00:36:52] Speaker A: We no longer want to grill him. So.


[00:36:54] Speaker B: Yeah, we’re not; when that’s not a meal we’re going to eat, that’s the meal that just goes to the swine or down the disposal.


[00:36:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I prefer the bear. I prefer the bear.


[00:37:02] Speaker B: I’ll take the bear anyway. We’ll see everybody on Underrepresented in tech next week, where we’ll talk about interesting topics again. Thank you so much. We’ll see you later.


[00:37:12] Speaker A: Thank you, Michelle. I’ll see you. Bye.


Michelle Frechette

Michelle Frechette


Samah Nasr

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